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Dec 3, 2019

Football. Basketball. Baseball. Hockey. For years these four sports have been the dominant professional leagues in the United States. Overseas and in other parts of the world sports like soccer, cricket and rugby are wildly popular while the American sports are barely acknowledged.

What does it take for an athlete of a “second tier” sport like soccer, lacrosse or rugby to become a professional and play at the highest levels? Another question is, if the sport isn’t on TV, can it become part of the American sports culture? 

On this episode of All About Fitness, Todd Clever, the Director of Rugby for the Austin Herd rugby club of Major League Rugby, discusses his experience as a professional rugby player playing in international markets like South Africa and Japan; in addition, Todd talks about his experience as the captain of the USA men’s national rugby team and how he rose to the top of one of the most popular sports in the world even though it barely exists in the US.

If you’re a parent looking for a way to get your kids away from the screen and into more activity, Todd and I discuss the benefits of youth rugby (full disclosure, I coach youth rugby), the inherent culture of inclusivity in the sport - meaning that ALL types of athletes and players are accepted as long as they’re willing to work hard and sweat with their teammates - and how rugby is the perfect sport for any kid. Finally, we discuss Major League Rugby - the top tier professional league of rugby in the US that is getting ready to enter it’s third season and now that matches (what we call a game in rugby) are shown on TV, the sport should hit an exponential phase of growth. On this episode All About Fitness becomes All About Rugby so that you can learn more about one of the most dynamic sports in the world that you should be paying attention to. 


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